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2025-07-12 15:36:47

Tariq

rzeta0@mastodon.social

During my years on old Twitter I never once had a post taken down.

Not once.

Here on mastodon-social I've had several in just 2-3 years.

A shitty place with all the views is better than a censored place with only privileged views.

#mastodon #genocide #censorship #germany #staatsrason #fediverse

2025-07-12 15:40:21

rob

rob@rstokes.uk

@rzeta0 Have you considered self-hosting Mastodon so you're the admin and no one can censor your posts?

2025-07-12 15:44:55

Peter Brett

krans@mastodon.me.uk

@rzeta0 The nice thing about Mastodon is that you can move to an instance whose moderation policies align with your values.

2025-07-12 15:48:58

dougroudouvari

dougroudouvari@electricrequiem.com

@rzeta0@mastodon.social
Change your instance 😉

2025-07-12 15:56:47

Tariq

rzeta0@mastodon.social

@dougroudouvari

Tell me if I'm wrong but that means

1. Reduced visibility of others posts on the largest insurance

2. Losing followers and followees

2025-07-12 16:10:55

Fou

foufoutos@kafeneio.social

@rzeta0 if you migrate to another instance following the right steps you will not lose those that follow you, neither those that you follow.

Visibility will not be much of a problem
@dougroudouvari

2025-07-12 16:18:46

baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸

baskin@kafeneio.social

@rzeta0 nope, neither 1 or 2 are true. You can migrate follows and followers and only local (on the instance) visibility is affected, which has nothing to do with federation. @dougroudouvari

2025-07-12 16:37:16

Tariq

rzeta0@mastodon.social

@baskin @dougroudouvari

Is there a guide I can follow step by step.

(I'm not a tech expert)

2025-07-12 16:39:22

baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸

baskin@kafeneio.social

@rzeta0 There is no need for tech tips just stick to the steps without missing or mixing them.

https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server/

@dougroudouvari

2025-07-13 01:03:22

Feral Ferment

feralferment@klacker.org

@baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸

@Tariq has more than 10K posts, and all of them will be lost if he switches to a different instance. Those 10K posts are a significant investment of his time and effort. That he has to lose those to move to a more palatable instance is not a good reflection on Mastodon.

Or look at it this way: the people who report his posts, and the mastodon.social admins themselves, presumably want to suppress his anti-genocide voice. @Tariq moving instances will simply wipe out all his existing posts, including all of his anti-genocide posts. In that sense, those people will get exactly what they want. Is that what we want?

For criticisms of Mastodon along these lines (though not on the topic of suppression of anti-genocide voices), check out these posts by Hacker News user "pxoe".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953551
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41955126
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41958394

But there is an even more insidious problem. Say, @Tariq moves to a small palatable instance or even starts his own Mastodon instance. However, if his profile or his anti-genocide posts get hidden/banned by mastodon.social and some of the other big instances, then almost all of the Fediverse will not even be aware of his profile or his posts. So he will simply be screaming into the void. What's the point then? In that case, why should he even stay on the Fediverse and invest his time and effort?

@dougroudouvari @rob @Fou @Peter Brett

2025-07-13 01:12:09

Fou

foufoutos@kafeneio.social

@feralferment First of all, @rzeta0 's posts won't be lost, the posts will not be deleted, they will always be available in mastodon.social.
For the rest of your thoughts i will write my thesis tomorrow cause now it's 2:10 after midnight in Greece @baskin

2025-07-13 08:45:19

baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸

baskin@kafeneio.social

@feralferment nope, posts will not be deleted. In any case, it is a good practice to autodelete your posts (mine are deleted after some months). Microbloging social media are ephemeral. If you want an archive, create a proper blog. There are also settings to keep any of them in your preferences.

2025-07-18 15:55:24

Feral Ferment

feralferment@klacker.org

@baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸

nope, posts will not be deleted. In any case, it is a good practice to autodelete your posts (mine are deleted after some months). Microbloging social media are ephemeral. If you want an archive, create a proper blog. There are also settings to keep any of them in your preferences.

This is the kind of preachy and hectoring response that puts people off!

And it does not even address the point of discussion; it is just you feeling smug about your own decision to auto-delete your own posts, and showing contempt for the people who do not.

The point of my posts was to show that moving to a different instance may not solve the problems @{rzeta0@todon.eu} was facing on mastodon.social, and may even create new problems.

Posts not getting transferred when you move accounts is a design flaw of Mastodon, whether or not they are set to auto-delete; and the reluctance of Mastodon evangelists like you to even acknowledge the problem is harmful to Mastodon itself.

And that’s only one of the problems of Mastodon, and of ActivityPub as a whole.

Here are some others:

A profile redirect, that you and many others are tomtoming about, is still at the mercy of the administrator of the current instance. A malicious admin can simply block it.
There is no way out for a user if the current instance shuts down.

In this context, the irony is that Mike Macgirvin’s Nomad protocol existed and was being used in production before ActivityPub was released, and before Mastodon was even born. The Nomad protocol allows each account to have multiple channels, the channel is what participates on the Fediverse. But here’s the feature relevant to our discussion: a user can open an account on another Nomad-protocol-based instance and can clone the channel from the original instance there. You can choose to post from the original channel or the clone channel, the post gets mirrored on the other one. Connections are also identical on both. So essentially a channel and its one or more clones exist simultaneously. If one of the instance shuts down or bans the user, all the posts and connections and blogs and everything else on the channel are still there on the clone, and the channel can continue functioning as it always did.

The above feature is called nomadic identity.

ActivityPub chose NOT to incorporate Nomadic Identity in its original implementation. But recently, Mike Macgirvin even ported nomadic identity to ActivityPub.

Those who are so keen to dish out advice about moving to another instance should at least spend some time learning about nomadic identity, and checking out Fedi software that supports nomadic identity [Hubzilla, (streams), Forte].

But even if some of the fedi software has nomadic identity, the entire fediverse has the major problem of search being entirely local. An instance (call it instance 1) becomes aware of a post on another instance only if someone on the instance 1 follows the poster, or boosts or likes the post. This effectively invisiblizes the global south, and also invisiblizes the low-visibility topics even from the global north. In other words, most of the fediverse remains invisible to most of the fediverse, by design.

@baskin :kafeneio:🇵🇸, you have a Palestinian flag in your profile, so I assume the ongoing holocaust of Palestinians enrages you as much as it enrages me and @{rzeta0@todon.eu} and many other people. And I presume you also care about the fediverse. In that case, try to understand the drawbacks of the fedi, accept them, and organize and agitate for it to be better.

At present, the dominant force on the Fediverse is a tiny liberal Western elite virtue-signalling to each other. The Fedi is entirely irrelevant in the larger sociopolitical context. If you care about the fedi, try to make it a catalyst for genuine sociopolitical change in the world out there.

@Fou @{rzeta0@todon.eu}

2025-07-13 04:26:27

THE REAL WORLD

3DReality@hear-me.social

@rzeta0 My realist assessment: this place is a shithole and it's a bastion of shitlibs. Most the admins are fascists who support the white empire. Fou is the exception, as well as hear-me dot social. I know ppl who have just left their acct open on here, but told their followers to find them on X. Not only is X more diverse but Musk has fired most the mods so its not as censored as on mastodon. (So I've been told from reliable sources.)

2025-07-13 11:16:57

desirable_dialogue

desirable_dialogue@ni.hil.ist

@rzeta0
Twitter was taking posts down by not showing it in the timeline of others, without notifying users.
If this never happened to you, that might tell more about what you've been posting.

Not going so defend mastodon.social here, just shitting on twitter.